Bartlein barrels vs krieger barrels forum 308 cal all 3 of the ones mentioned are a good products. Moderator. Cut is generally felt to give more consistent performance, truer rate of twist, last longer, etc. I have one chambered HH barrel right now and it shoots very well. Krieger have typically run the fastest per caliber for me, but Bartlein and Hawk Hill have always been good barrels. Both offer 5R, but it will cost you on the Krieger and equalize the prices between them. Prev. New media New comments Search media. I own several and all are outstanding accurate and easy to clean barrels. Bartlein Barrels Sorry to hear that Frank I'm sure you will handle it Mike R. about 300 rounds of loaded ammo. Krieger barrels on several R700 bolt guns in . 5 twist. 25. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Many US manufacturers are regarded at least as high as LW or for example Krieger, Lilja or Bartlein usualy higher than LW Krieger match grade barrels are "cut" rifling as opposed to Douglas being "button" rifled. They are Jun 6, 2019 · I normally use Krieger barrels but have a couple of Lilja barrels. I'm working on a 308. Haven't load tested. 5 grendel's. I did notice the cylinder section at the breech of the Palma Contours varied some for the Krieger barrels (Krieger’s was 1/2″ shorter than what is shown here). I just got a Bartlein for a new Here's a pretty good summary of button rifled versus hammer forged barrels versus broach cut rifled versus single point cut rifled barrels in gas operated firearms: I had CLE make me a service rifle with a Krieger barrel, it was THE MOST ACCURATE barrel I have ever shot. Dec 29, 2013 Forums. Between Douglas and FWIW, the M80 I'm shooting is all ZQI ammo which I've confirmed (at least in a bolt gun) shoots the advertised MOA at 100 meters. There may be Krieger is first because they are the most prolific 4-groove with my vendors. 005). You won't get a better quality or more accurate barrel. The lapped-in barrels (Krieger and Douglas) MIGHT shoot good longer and clean easier. Those specs are as follows: 16 Lothar Walther vs Krieger barrels. I think the most finicky barrel I have is a Krieger. @Frank Green can speak more on this, but Bartlein builds tons of ammunition test barrels that are shot out of a test fixture with excellent accuracy results from my conversations with Frank. I'm planning to buy a pre-fit from Southern Precision Rifles in 6mm Creedmoor. The Ballistic Advantage barrel that I'm really happy with is a 6. For single point cut rifled barrels Krieger, Bartlein, and Brux are my "go to Furthermore, the wait times on Brux barrels are normally shorter than a Bartlein. 19 hours ago · It’s a bartlien and it shoots better than I can. I will have to decide between Bartlein's special sauce VS. Both Craddock and Compass Lake use top of the line blanks: Krieger, Bartlein, Douglas, Criterion (for the most part). 5 addiction build. Heavy Criterion vs Krieger Barrel. In . Reactions: clonebuilder. No particular reason other than I hear raves about Bartlein and they are doing well in shortrange benchrest. LVMED Sergeant. 6 days ago · Search forums. That said, I've owned some fantastic shooting Bartlein 5R barrels and I would buy more Bartlein if my vendors had more choices in 4-groove. I have one Shilen in a 35 Whelen. I know the ammo is capable of that in an ideal situation, but 4 MOA from it is a bit of a head scratcher when others with the same rifle (SAI Loaded's and National Matches) are shooting it in the 2-2. Leaderboards. I'm trying to get maximum accuracy out of this build and I'm trying to decide between a heavy contour 1:10" Krieger or Criterion barrel. Thread starter WKR; Start date Sep 1, 2023; WKR WKR. They all choose high-grade steels to work with so you don't get pipes with inclusions, and they are all lapped well. To recap, the Krieger shot the best 50yd results of the barrels tested so far, just barely beating the Bartlein but it was so close you can call the 50yd results equal (. The Krieger is about 1. 5% off machining on both, 3 barrels save 25% off machining on all barrels. I’d love to hear everyone’s experiences with the LMT 16” stainless 5. Re: Hart, Kreiger or Bartlein? Originally Posted By: OnemoretimeOriginally Posted By: Frank GreenA button barrel can be a good barrel. 56 barrels as well as the CLE Bartlein/Krieger barrels. 4 MOA to 0. Consistent sub MOA all day long for 5 shot groups. Menu Home Articles Community Lessons Live Classes Shop. May 26, 2016 · Have another Shilen SS ratchet rifle barrel on another rig, but have only broken it in. Have several Bartlein but never tried a Brux. 4 and . Thread starter Brian564; Start date May 9, 2015; Help Support Long Range Hunting Forum – Expert Gear Reviews & Tactical Tips Become a supporting member. Staff member. In your case it doesn't matter, but the price is also a little less too in most cases. I have one Bartlein Barrel and I will not buy any again due to the long wait times and Going 26 inch heavy varmint 1:8. I can’t seem to find a . Go figure!!!! 6. That says a lot. If you haven't shot a hawk hill yet, you ought to give it a try. 5mm is a Kreigerbut I honestly do not know. These barrels were both chambered by Keystone Accuracy using the same reamer, both were chopped at 24", both muzzles threaded 5/8-24. Alright winds were much calmer tonight then this morning so the 100yd Krieger test was a success. 6 instead of the factory supplied 1:8. By cut-rifling them, they Bartlein, Hawk Hill, White Oak Armament, X-Caliber and Ballistic Advantage. Jump to Latest I’ve yet to try my incoming obermeyer and 2 Bartlein’s but I’d imagine the same from them. I have two 30/375 S. They are so good that they make a Bartlein/Krieger barrel guy like me "go over to the Dark side " Rob01 Moderator. 5x more Dec 8, 2014 · Look at any major benchrest discipline and a Krieger barrel will show up at least 10x more often then a Walther barrel. Both are good shooters but the Krieger is better. Hawk Hill Custom - Hawk Hill Custom These barrels win matches. Long Range Hunting . If all I could get was Brux or Krieger I’d use them Jun 6, 2019 · Bartlein barrels are top notch barrels. . This may well be because the Krieger is on a BAT action and the Bartlein on a B78. If I'm in the mood for a single point cut barrel Krieger has been my "go to" and if a button rifled barrel or I want one really fast Hart is my default but having had multiple conversations with Frank Green of Bartlein barrels and him taking the time to answer with depth any and all questions I come up with, my next barrel will be a Bartlein barrel and it likely will be Barrels like all things go up and down and change over the years. Between the Oct 17, 2013 · I have two 30/375 S. The 5R barrels from krieger have been amazing so far. That should give you your answer. mtar15; Mar 25, 2024; Guns, Actions, Stocks, & Barrels Re: Which would you prefer Bartlein or Lilja barrels? I have a Lilja chrome-moly barrel in my Robar RC-50, and it shoots fine. Bartlein Barrels is proud to introduce their new line of Carbon Fiber wrapped barrels. Hands down. George Gardner likes Bartlein barrels. was founded in 1999 as a division of Krieger Barrels, Inc. Then, on the Bartlein side, I see offerings of 99% (or more) 5R barrels. If it means my groups will go from 0. I think that the 308 barrel is a Bartlein and the 6. I use both brands Jun 6, 2019 · Bartlein barrels are top notch barrels. (I had to send it back to SAI after they installed a new Krieger, as it had some stuck cases and the marks on the brass showed the chamber needed more I read it, thanks. 219 1-8 twist in 3B anywhere, but I did find a Krieger #4 in 1-8 with a . Both clean up very well and the Krieger is 25' faster, but again, has a melonited barrel. Mar 9, 2018 · Search forums. Oct 6, 2007 809 2 LA. Bartlein has the gain twist and Mar 10, 2020 · For example, Krieger offers both . in response to demands of rifle builders and firearms manufacturers for quality match grade barrels at a lower cost. 5BR Sergeant. Dec 29, 2013 May 19, 2020 · I keep saying this with each barrel, but more so now then ever, I cannot wait to shoot this Bartlein at 100yds!! Since everyone always asks, this Bartlein is the same exact barrel specs as all the others tested. 5mm bartlein 5r both are m24 profile. I don’t shot well enough to tell the difference I’d like to pick up a thinner 308 bore to use as a hunting barrel and it would just be who’s in stock when i go looking. Wade, who was still with Surgeon at the time, said he liked them and that was good enough for me. 25 and Krieger sent me a 1:11. it has been mentioned by the real Einstein's on this forum I don't know much! I feel a lot more confident with the Barltein barrels. Amazing. Excellent results with all. build and wondered if anybody had some insight on Hart Barrels versus a Bartlein or Kreiger, Prices seem pretty similar, but is it an apples to apples comparison? They do make some very nice barrels! They are Button rifled, vs Krieger and some others that are Cut rifled. I currently am running Bartlein barrels and have no complaints about them. I want a 26” inch rem varmint/ sendero contour. Winds pretty consistent 3-5mph. 237 barrels in 6mm. I like Krieger, but have moved to Bartlein. As far as I have seen Lothar and a Pac-Nor make extremely good polygonal setups including for the AR. 221FB and it wasn't the funnest thing but it wasn't impossible. I would say they were in this order of how they shot: Krieger/Bartlein Benchmark/Green Mountain Lilja The Krieger and Bartlein shot about the same with the Krieger edging out the Bartlein on that day with that ammo slightly at Save money when chambering multiple barrels at a time. I’m currently debating between an LMT MLR with their 16” stainless steel barrel or a CLE Bartlein/Krieger with the barrel specs that I got from @bigjake83 in another thread. Walther barrels are harder so they might last longer but I'd place my bet on Krieger for accuracy. Any Forums. Aug 23, 2009 · Equal straightness, equal finish, equal bore tolerances. Preferred turnaround time Includes chamber, muzzle threads, and I do have one Bartlein 22RF bbl - it was purchased as a bbl'd action on the last V-22 I bought for myself, so has Mike's RAVAGE chamber. I have used more Bartleins than anything especially considering the Impact by Aug 21, 2012 · AR spacegun or varmint rig, get the Krieger barrel. It's a 22" Kukri, and on any given day, it and the 22" Krieger sendero on another V Yeah I’ve got a 6mm krieger 4 grove and 6. New posts Trending Search forums Leaderboards Media New media New comments After having 3 bartlein barrels i switched over to a brux and haven't looked back . 5 Creedmoor, 308, 6XC, 25 Feb 19, 2021 · Either barrel being considered should be sub 1/2 MOA. Bartlein Barrels have an excellent reputation among bolt gun and AR shooters. I. What is everyone’s experiences with those two barrels Forums. I've had barrels from Bartlein, Bartlein, Bartlein, and Bartlein (Anyone see a trend) With that said my next chambered barrel will be a Bartlein, but the one after that will come from Hawk Hill Custom Rifles. Surgeon had a Krieger barrel in the contour I wanted that was already chambered for the cartridge I was going for It happened to be 5R, so I went with it. 6 MOA consistently from a gas gun, even out to 1000yds. In general a good Bartlein and a good Krieger will (properly tuned, chambered and fitted) Feb 19, 2021 · Bartlein and Krieger are two of, if not the two top barrel brands currently. Full Member. I've chambered a LW in . 260 Rem AR10 that shoots between . Modern Button rifled barrels are great, but cut How many top rifle builders (SAC, PCR, Gradous, GAP, APA, RWS, etc) use Douglas compared to Bartlein, Krieger, Brux, Rock, etc? If a Bartlein is in stock that suits your needs get it. Some other recent makers are not even close but there might be some others I never heard of. I am sure Paul Craddock is as well, but put many months in your timeline, or buy a Criterion or Lilja barrel that is pre fitted for what you want. Oct 21, 2013 · If I go with the CLE option, the barrel will be put into a LaRue Stealth MLOK upper/handguard set with JP FMOS, Seekins Lower with Vltor A5. Same contour, Mar 27, 2018 · Im going to re-barrel a rifle in 264 win mag, and was wondering if there’s any preference for a Bartlein vs Brux barrel? Going with a 3B/#5 respectively and a 1/8 twist for 140gr bullets. SELLING Proof & Bartlein Carbon Barrels; Krieger & Bartlein Steel. 30 caliber range. To Sheldon N's point - For PRS, skill dwarfs the subtle differences in barrels 99. New posts You can trust Krieger's close second, and their customer service, before, and after the sale. Media. Optic will be NF ATACR 4-16 tremor3. I've had really good results with these, even though it seems Ballistic Advantage isn't a high success rate barrel like Bartlein, etc. 5 MOA range. I know of a few barrel manufactures who have stepped their game up in the last couple years and seem to be producing better results. Terry Cross uses Krieger. 219 bore. . Jul 9, 2001 17,566 14,443 NC. Good ammo is more important than which badge on the barrel. Krieger, with the lower taper of their barrels, seem to give more margin for muzzle threading. In 20+ Bartlein barrels, I’ve yet to have a dud. 2 barrels save 12. It was GM, Bartlein, Benchmark, Krieger and Lilja. 62 gas guns, we use Bartlein and Criterion blanks. Oct 3, 2020 · This test is to see if there is any measurable, noticeable difference between a 308win Bartlein 5R or Krieger 4 Groove for the average shooter, shooting the way 99% of the people on THIS forum shoot. Our company is now completely independent from Krieger Barrels, featuring a separate facility, personnel, and ownership. Cut rifled barrels. After that I'll get a Bartlein barrel and maybe a slightly faster twist rate, like 1:7. Ready to order another in 30/9T for a 300 NM improved or 300 PRC build. Having said all that, I personally am a fan of either Krieger or Bartlein. 236 and . Bartlein owners use to work for Krieger. I personaly believe the person chambering and crowning the barrel will be more of a factor than brand name. Still similar numbers for Bartlein across the board lot of shooters seem to think they are worth 40% more than a Proof. Joined Jun 14, 2019. I think my wet dream would be to have a Bartlein barrel "core" wrapped in carbon fiber by Christensen Arms. There will be a suppressor direct threaded onto the barrel (either CGS Helios DT or HYPERION K). Once you get to Bartlein, Hart, Hawk Hill, etc they're splitting RCH's in performance and it's not brand to brand, it's "install job to install job" and the biggest issue is when a guy cuts corners and gets a Bartlein barrels are comparable to Kriegers, but are CNC cut-rifled, making them more available. Bartlein. Manufacturers use these fixtures with test barrels for bullet and ammo testing. 9% of the time. Still most of the muzzlebrakes and silencers are threaded for 5/8, i think i will have to ask all these details to the barrel manufacturer. , etc. 224 cal it's that much better than the competition. For our work on 7. Some specific questions I have are: LMT 16” stainless barrel accuracy Nov 14, 2014 · The contours shown are for Bartlein barrels. Any thoughts are much appreciated! Mar 9, 2012 · I don't think that any of the new 'cheap' polygonal barrel makers have a good product. I have a Bartlein on my . The 2 barrels I’m torn between are brux and ace. Not trying to poke at Benchmark, Hart, Shilen etc What we have found along with a host of other shooters etcis that This Forum is for adults 18 years of age or over. The proof has 1. Just ask Criterion Barrels, Inc. I never tested a Shilen in this round up review as you stated above. NukeMMC I've shot Krieger, Bartlein, Lothar Walther, Benchmark, Hawk Hill, K&P, Green Mountain, and a Proof stainless in 6 Dasher, 6. While I don’t own a Krieger, I’ve seen a bunch that performed exceptionally well. Tags barrels criterion heavy barrels krieger m25rl. Trying to decide on which barrel to use on a 6. 20 shank and the bartlein 1. I've had real good luck with Krieger and Lilja. Having trouble deciding between a proof stainless or bartlein in that contour. 5 MOA I can live with that. Mar 14, 2012 #43 Mar 2, 2019 · Bartlein, Krieger and Hawk Hill have all been good barrels. If you have a barrel maker that understands the limitations for each process, and has a method for mitigating the impact of those limitations on the barrel quality, then their products should be just fine. They were also very nice when i ordered a barrel and delivery was under ETA. I'll check the research on 6. , but frankly have never seen any real difference between the two with several thousand rounds through both of them. 308. Minuteman. They arent shooting a chassis/stocked rifle, BR rig, etc for Jun 19, 2009 · Forums. Every barrel is unique, even from the Oct 1, 2020 · Both barrels are as close as possible to the same twist, Bartlein sent me a 1:11. As far as barrel differences go, I know a guy who shoots great with a Preferred Barrel Blanks barrel, and regularly outshoots guys using Bartlein, Hawk Hill, Krieger, etc. Can I expect the same Jun 6, 2019 · I know I have a Bartlein and a Kreiger for my Surgeon. No complaints but I've not shot it for groups. By continuing to use this Forum you are confirming that you are 18 or older. I however am very curious and I always like to experiment and learn more. The Lilja barrels I've used in 6. This may well be because the Krieger is on a 6 days ago · Harts are fine barrels but Kriegers have been winning most of the big time B/R matches lately. including my last Krieger heavy SS barrel. Jan 9, 2017 · After doing a lot of reading on the various forums, I have come to the conclusion that the LaRue is considered one of the most accurate of the cheaper barrels (especially while they are on sale) while the Bartlein or Krieger are considered two of the most accurate barrels available at any price. So does Bartlein. 5 CM to see what is the sweet spot for it with bullets above 120 grains. But the break in holes at 100 yards were little clusters so it already shows a lot of promise Also had great luck with Krieger and May 13, 2024 · I'm on the waitlist for an M25RL build from LRB. As a forum Oct 11, 2020 · This is all speculation and hearsay. Mar 2, 2019 · My preference is Bartlein but have done a lot of Krieger and have now used a couple of Brux for smokeless muzzleloaders. Re: Hart, Kreiger or Bartlein? I have all three, all in . 8 or 7. Production of M1 and M14 barrels would be a welcome addition. Backpacking/DIY Hunting Equipment. They offer a nice package of barrel / bolt combination for AR's. Now i just have to decide between Krieger and Bartlein. 's; one with a Krieger 4 groove and one with a Bartlein 5r. If no one has what I want in Krieger then I will go Brux. View attachment 550898. Re: KREIGER Barrels VS HART Barrels They are both great quality barrels and there are many other barrel makers as well that produce great barrels like Shilen,Rock creek and the list goes on. 3 or 0. Sep 1, 2023 #1 I dont own any cut rifled barrels and am thinking I want to try one on my next rifle build. 5 cm in a Mega MATEN LR-308 rifle. results of this test will be much more pertinent to the masses as its how most everyone willbe shooting one of these barrels. They are cut barrels and the owner is extremely knowledgeable about machining and metallurgy. Once the barrels are made with that degree of precision, individual barrel differences will be more important than Kreiger vs. Hart barrels rock, my last 2 Harts were stunningly repeatable. Oct 17, 2013 · I have two 30/375 S. vjvq rqnasa loku joleqkln rtsj vsdrk ggrjt fuk jpsc hgwbr rsrpgx fwctx tov lhfhm jfh